Shoot a grizzly a couple times and he’ll keep coming. As for less evil agents they got most of the local PD out however while newberg and the bossman made it out, anyone see newberg’s partner?
As for the artwork, stunning as always. Just would have loved to see Monty Bryant bust the doorway down, splintered frame and all. Still plenty destructive though! : D
…There are no bodies. A lot of blood, but no bodies, and no obvious markings for where bodies would have been. Did the not-quite-Feds take their fallen with them, or were none of the troops able to die? I don’t think they could have all been weres, or Bryant wouldn’t have been able to rampage through them like he clearly did.
Bullets clearly DO NOT WORK on these critters, Kate’s nightmares notwithstanding. They probably should have loaded up with high-powered tranquilizers instead.
LIES! All bullets work well at the job. There only effective as the person who is shooting the wepon. In this case close quarters shooting with asult rifles don’t work. Unless the Bayonet is used. Hence the phrase “Give them the cold steel”.
Well, if there were no bodies, we know for sure that the bullets weren’t made of silver. I wonder if Kate and Mike will think of that for the next time they run into these creatures?
Well you’ve got to remember that these ‘were’ creatures are actually genetically altered people, so it’s hard for me to believe that silver would affect them in the same way that it supposedly affects the werewolves of lore
Logistically speaking a silver bullet is a lot more destructive than a regular lead bullet because it’s such a soft metal it’ll punch a bigger hole in the target and be less likely to go cleanly through. On the downside though it’s hard to get a silver bullet to spin in the barrel of your gun because of how soft it is, so your aim is gonna suffer dramatically.
There is the counter argument for the silver amo. I still stick to the fact that silver rounds are terrible for long range useage due to the inconceny of accuracy. And the grounds that it does less damage other then a clean hole the size of the round used and no other damage accured. If it were deer shoot in the form of a shoot gun then it will do wonders at close range. So the arguement stands at this. Lead for dstance, cold steel at close quarters, silver if needed used as shoot gun amo only. Other wise lead and steel are your friends.
Errm… pure silver is softer than lead, but not much (22 brinnel versus 38. its also much more ductile (draws into wires) means it wont spread as much, it will stretch instead. because of this, it should spin just as well as lead, if not better, because it will elongate rather than flatten. it is less dense, but grains of weight in a single bullet, so that shouldn’t effect the accuracy over lead, especially when you consider that a copper jacket is much less dense. In addition, if STERLING silver is used, you are talking a brinnel hardness scale of 60, much harder than lead for punching holes, and still pretty maleable and ductile both for punching big holes, particularly if you used a hollow point.
Vince, why would you say it would be less accurate?
Its inconstincy at hitting the target in the same spot or close proxcimity from the privious shoot is the reason why silver regardless of which type will not work for long range wepondry. This is the point I am saying. Also if shoot in to balistic gellition the damage shows its self clearly. A clean size hole of the round in silver. More destruction internaly by lead rounds.
Or are you getting at silver pistol rounds as the argument. In that case there is room for disbutes at the effectivncy of the metal there. But no silver for rifles unless they are a smothbore type of barel. Groved types work better with lead on the grounds as stated before and maintaing them is easier then silver die to the chance that it can get in to the groves and have the thing blow up in your face.
A few thoughts on weapon/ammo selection when hunting werewolves, assuming they are non-magical, and can be killed by lead bullets to the head:
-Most engagements are likely to be short-range. Wolves tend to like places with plenty of cover and plenty food. In other words, forests. Cities also qualify, but the number of people tends to make them somewhat dangerous for creatures that eat people. The longest range engagement you are likely to have in one of these areas is very short range. Say 100m short.
- A silver bullet, even if it is spinning slowly, is still going to be extremely accurate over that distance.
-Shotguns are always a good option for short range work, especially if your goal is to do as much damage as possible before the target heals. Silver shot would not even be that hard to make. AR-15′s are nice for medium-range fights, but too-clunky for indoors. Ask any Iraq/Afgan vet, those things catch on stuff all the time. MP5′s are a very good call.
- A bullet made entirely of silver is a little impractical. The flight characteristics/barrel fouling are going to be waaaay off from what you would experience with a normal, lead bullet. However, a steel jacket would minimize the effects. Anybody with basic hand-loading equipment could make some version of this that would work.
- Will tazers work? How about tear gas? Fire? I’d imagine a werewolf, in particular, would want to stay away from somebody with a bottle of Nair and a lighter.
I’m thinking he’s thinking, “We’re going to need bigger guns.” At least that’s what I would be thinking right now. Preferably something with incendiary, explosive, or massive fragmentary damage. Preferably in semi or fully automatic too.
Clearly, whatever the cops were using was not doing the trick.
So, if Jiang (?) is still here, is he with the real FBI? Assuming the genetically altered people are pretending to be the feds? Or is it one and the same? I can’t imagine that I would stay behind if I was with the bad guys, so here’s hoping that he’s on our hero’s side.
I think that’s a good question. The other FBI said they never heard of him, and I’m guessing they were the ‘real’ FBI (or I could be wrong). Also I know that FBI don’t simply say if a comrade of theirs is a FBI or not. So is Jiang a FBI or something more?
Actually I had it the other way. It would make sense for a secret government project to pose as FBI so they could gain access to certain areas they wouldn’t usually be able to reach. Plus it would make sense that the real FBI agent is confused by what’s going on than the people who ran in, knocked out the chief, and then tried to kill a man under arrest.
Well I honestly think Xiang is on the level, HES the real FBI, investigating the incidents in Kentucky, and yet, at the same time im not sure, Xiang sure didn’t know what was going on with the other suits that came in, and they didn’t know him, he could be CIA posing as FBI, but that may be a stretch, He could be investigating Major Briant’s disappearance and the mauling of his wife and the other victim but is stumbling into a whole new bigger mess he couldn’t possibly imagine.
I don’t think these were’s are supernatural that’s for sure, some sort of project or experiment gone out of control, Silver bullets wont be needed I think, I think if you put enough regular rounds into Kate or Briant in animal form they will go down, probobly why Kate responded to mike holding his Magnum to her head in Animal form, Reaction dictated that if she didnt calm down he would do it. so she did. How much of that blood splattered about do you want to bet is Briant’s as well as nameless grunts who didn’t know what they were getting into when Mr agent led them into that precinct?
I agree that there are no body’s because most likely whoever survived the massacre took them with asap, that or the precinct Morgue is QUITE Full right now! XD Where was Gina and her assistant and what happened to Newberg I wonder? Hope that blood on the Kitchenette door isn’t his… poor rookie, only two days left till retirement.
You all are forgeting one other agency The Central Intelliagence Agancy or the CIA. IF matters concering National secerity are at a high level they will come and respond to it. Both internationaly and with in the country. Our man could be with the CIA. As stated in the ABC series Flashforward the FBI and the CIA have a issue of trusting each other. So this could be the same case here. As always I can be wrong. lets see then.
Ah but alas, he did mention ” he could be CIA posing as FBI, but that may be a stretch ”
Also, it makes sense to me that there could be WAY more effective metals, ceramics and other materials for bullet production than steel and lead. They do their jobs cost effectively for mass production. Take tungsten for instance. Oh, polonium would be fun!
This does remind me of the loup garou’s rampage through a CPD precinct house in the Dresden Files… in a good way.
Rule #1 of Hunting Therianthropes: If you think a werewolf is bad, consider the implications of mass. Canis lupus comes in at between 29 and 85 pounds roughly, with the biggest Eurasian wolf on record after WWII coming at a scary 190 pounds.
His Highness, Panthera leo, on the other hand? A man-eater killed in the Transvaal region weighed 690 pounds. I imagine that our pal the Major is one very, very big mofo when he Hulks Out.
I’m sure some of that is the Majors blood but I’m guessing there are a few less evil agents. what a mess. and what bad aim especially for close range.
The ten foot rule SO applies here. At the speed a lion can sprint; I wouldn’t feel safe at a hundred with a .223
Shoot a grizzly a couple times and he’ll keep coming. As for less evil agents they got most of the local PD out however while newberg and the bossman made it out, anyone see newberg’s partner?
As for the artwork, stunning as always. Just would have loved to see Monty Bryant bust the doorway down, splintered frame and all. Still plenty destructive though! : D
Wow. What a mess. Feel sorry for whoever hasta clean it up.
Clean up? Can you imagine how long its going to take the evidence techs and IA to sort this one out? :<
I think Xiong has figured out a number of things about this case by now, I wonder when they’ll come after *him*
Bloody hell!
…There are no bodies. A lot of blood, but no bodies, and no obvious markings for where bodies would have been. Did the not-quite-Feds take their fallen with them, or were none of the troops able to die? I don’t think they could have all been weres, or Bryant wouldn’t have been able to rampage through them like he clearly did.
Bullets clearly DO NOT WORK on these critters, Kate’s nightmares notwithstanding. They probably should have loaded up with high-powered tranquilizers instead.
LIES! All bullets work well at the job. There only effective as the person who is shooting the wepon. In this case close quarters shooting with asult rifles don’t work. Unless the Bayonet is used. Hence the phrase “Give them the cold steel”.
Be cool, HoneyBunny…
*proves the point by giving OctoDude the cold steel*
Well, if there were no bodies, we know for sure that the bullets weren’t made of silver. I wonder if Kate and Mike will think of that for the next time they run into these creatures?
Well you’ve got to remember that these ‘were’ creatures are actually genetically altered people, so it’s hard for me to believe that silver would affect them in the same way that it supposedly affects the werewolves of lore
Logistically speaking a silver bullet is a lot more destructive than a regular lead bullet because it’s such a soft metal it’ll punch a bigger hole in the target and be less likely to go cleanly through. On the downside though it’s hard to get a silver bullet to spin in the barrel of your gun because of how soft it is, so your aim is gonna suffer dramatically.
There is the counter argument for the silver amo. I still stick to the fact that silver rounds are terrible for long range useage due to the inconceny of accuracy. And the grounds that it does less damage other then a clean hole the size of the round used and no other damage accured. If it were deer shoot in the form of a shoot gun then it will do wonders at close range. So the arguement stands at this. Lead for dstance, cold steel at close quarters, silver if needed used as shoot gun amo only. Other wise lead and steel are your friends.
Errm… pure silver is softer than lead, but not much (22 brinnel versus 38. its also much more ductile (draws into wires) means it wont spread as much, it will stretch instead. because of this, it should spin just as well as lead, if not better, because it will elongate rather than flatten. it is less dense, but grains of weight in a single bullet, so that shouldn’t effect the accuracy over lead, especially when you consider that a copper jacket is much less dense. In addition, if STERLING silver is used, you are talking a brinnel hardness scale of 60, much harder than lead for punching holes, and still pretty maleable and ductile both for punching big holes, particularly if you used a hollow point.
Vince, why would you say it would be less accurate?
Its inconstincy at hitting the target in the same spot or close proxcimity from the privious shoot is the reason why silver regardless of which type will not work for long range wepondry. This is the point I am saying. Also if shoot in to balistic gellition the damage shows its self clearly. A clean size hole of the round in silver. More destruction internaly by lead rounds.
Or are you getting at silver pistol rounds as the argument. In that case there is room for disbutes at the effectivncy of the metal there. But no silver for rifles unless they are a smothbore type of barel. Groved types work better with lead on the grounds as stated before and maintaing them is easier then silver die to the chance that it can get in to the groves and have the thing blow up in your face.
A few thoughts on weapon/ammo selection when hunting werewolves, assuming they are non-magical, and can be killed by lead bullets to the head:
-Most engagements are likely to be short-range. Wolves tend to like places with plenty of cover and plenty food. In other words, forests. Cities also qualify, but the number of people tends to make them somewhat dangerous for creatures that eat people. The longest range engagement you are likely to have in one of these areas is very short range. Say 100m short.
- A silver bullet, even if it is spinning slowly, is still going to be extremely accurate over that distance.
-Shotguns are always a good option for short range work, especially if your goal is to do as much damage as possible before the target heals. Silver shot would not even be that hard to make. AR-15′s are nice for medium-range fights, but too-clunky for indoors. Ask any Iraq/Afgan vet, those things catch on stuff all the time. MP5′s are a very good call.
- A bullet made entirely of silver is a little impractical. The flight characteristics/barrel fouling are going to be waaaay off from what you would experience with a normal, lead bullet. However, a steel jacket would minimize the effects. Anybody with basic hand-loading equipment could make some version of this that would work.
- Will tazers work? How about tear gas? Fire? I’d imagine a werewolf, in particular, would want to stay away from somebody with a bottle of Nair and a lighter.
There are no bodies because…they’re at the morgue by now? Just a thought.
I’m thinking he’s thinking, “We’re going to need bigger guns.” At least that’s what I would be thinking right now. Preferably something with incendiary, explosive, or massive fragmentary damage. Preferably in semi or fully automatic too.
Clearly, whatever the cops were using was not doing the trick.
So, if Jiang (?) is still here, is he with the real FBI? Assuming the genetically altered people are pretending to be the feds? Or is it one and the same? I can’t imagine that I would stay behind if I was with the bad guys, so here’s hoping that he’s on our hero’s side.
I think that’s a good question. The other FBI said they never heard of him, and I’m guessing they were the ‘real’ FBI (or I could be wrong). Also I know that FBI don’t simply say if a comrade of theirs is a FBI or not. So is Jiang a FBI or something more?
Actually I had it the other way. It would make sense for a secret government project to pose as FBI so they could gain access to certain areas they wouldn’t usually be able to reach. Plus it would make sense that the real FBI agent is confused by what’s going on than the people who ran in, knocked out the chief, and then tried to kill a man under arrest.
Well I honestly think Xiang is on the level, HES the real FBI, investigating the incidents in Kentucky, and yet, at the same time im not sure, Xiang sure didn’t know what was going on with the other suits that came in, and they didn’t know him, he could be CIA posing as FBI, but that may be a stretch, He could be investigating Major Briant’s disappearance and the mauling of his wife and the other victim but is stumbling into a whole new bigger mess he couldn’t possibly imagine.
I don’t think these were’s are supernatural that’s for sure, some sort of project or experiment gone out of control, Silver bullets wont be needed I think, I think if you put enough regular rounds into Kate or Briant in animal form they will go down, probobly why Kate responded to mike holding his Magnum to her head in Animal form, Reaction dictated that if she didnt calm down he would do it. so she did. How much of that blood splattered about do you want to bet is Briant’s as well as nameless grunts who didn’t know what they were getting into when Mr agent led them into that precinct?
I agree that there are no body’s because most likely whoever survived the massacre took them with asap, that or the precinct Morgue is QUITE Full right now! XD Where was Gina and her assistant and what happened to Newberg I wonder? Hope that blood on the Kitchenette door isn’t his… poor rookie, only two days left till retirement.
You all are forgeting one other agency The Central Intelliagence Agancy or the CIA. IF matters concering National secerity are at a high level they will come and respond to it. Both internationaly and with in the country. Our man could be with the CIA. As stated in the ABC series Flashforward the FBI and the CIA have a issue of trusting each other. So this could be the same case here. As always I can be wrong. lets see then.
Ah but alas, he did mention ” he could be CIA posing as FBI, but that may be a stretch ”
Also, it makes sense to me that there could be WAY more effective metals, ceramics and other materials for bullet production than steel and lead. They do their jobs cost effectively for mass production. Take tungsten for instance. Oh, polonium would be fun!
This does remind me of the loup garou’s rampage through a CPD precinct house in the Dresden Files… in a good way.
Rule #1 of Hunting Therianthropes: If you think a werewolf is bad, consider the implications of mass. Canis lupus comes in at between 29 and 85 pounds roughly, with the biggest Eurasian wolf on record after WWII coming at a scary 190 pounds.
His Highness, Panthera leo, on the other hand? A man-eater killed in the Transvaal region weighed 690 pounds. I imagine that our pal the Major is one very, very big mofo when he Hulks Out.